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> Super rare & cool SA Cichlid !!
samurai-h
post Feb 8 2008, 11:47 PM
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I think most members might not know this species from SA. So someone might think they are hybrid...
This is one of my favorite Cichlasoma I have not posted on the web site.
Anyway , enjoy those beautiful pair !!

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post Feb 8 2008, 11:58 PM
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Never seen Ornatum up close and personal. Didnt realize they look that great.
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post Feb 9 2008, 12:07 AM
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Beautiful fish.


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post Feb 9 2008, 12:20 AM
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You are the true cichlidnut next to my H.Steindachneri that's the cichlid I want the most nice fish guy wink.gif

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post Feb 9 2008, 12:23 AM
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Ahhh I want a pair sooo bad
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post Feb 9 2008, 12:26 AM
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I like them alot, nice coloring!



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post Feb 9 2008, 06:35 AM
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Wow, such contrasting colors! They're beautiful.


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Those are stunning!
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post Feb 9 2008, 11:18 AM
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I would like to see those available to most fish keepers.
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post Feb 9 2008, 11:27 AM
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It's beautiful, but what is it?


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Very beautiful! Does Mo even have these pretty cichlids because he is a cichlid nut too!
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post Feb 9 2008, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(Polypterus-91 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:27 AM) *

It's beautiful, but what is it?


It's Cichlasoma ornatum. This fish has been on my wish list for over 20 years. The only photos I have seen previously were in the Stawikowski and Werner books that were published in 1985. The fish in that picture was nice looking; the fish in Seiichi's photos are amazing!!!

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post Feb 9 2008, 01:11 PM
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Is Seichi from Japan? That might explain how he got this rarity. Celtic Samurai, how much would this cichlid cost?
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post Feb 9 2008, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(Celtic Samurai @ Feb 9 2008, 10:08 AM) *

QUOTE(Polypterus-91 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:27 AM) *

It's beautiful, but what is it?


It's Cichlasoma ornatum. This fish has been on my wish list for over 20 years. The only photos I have seen previously were in the Stawikowski and Werner books that were published in 1985. The fish in that picture was nice looking; the fish in Seiichi's photo are amazing!!!


Thanks, that's a pretty amazing looking fish.


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post Feb 9 2008, 01:24 PM
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A West Coast wholesaler had these available at a 3-4" size about a year and a half ago. I've inquired about them several times since and am told that was a one-time thing - evidently the shipment originated out of Colombia. There aren't many pics of them out there, so to see these is incredible! Beautiful ...


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post Feb 9 2008, 01:40 PM
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andregurov, what was the price the West Coast Wholesaler wanted for them????
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post Feb 9 2008, 02:28 PM
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Really nice fish, Seiichi. I'm with Samurai...you don't see photos of them often. Beautiful coloration.


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QUOTE(andregurov @ Feb 9 2008, 10:24 AM) *

A West Coast wholesaler had these available at a 3-4" size about a year and a half ago. I've inquired about them several times since and am told that was a one-time thing - evidently the shipment originated out of Colombia. There aren't many pics of them out there, so to see these is incredible! Beautiful ...


And guess who just resumed getting shipments with Columbia? John from ECZS may be able to bring these in. Awesome pics!


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post Feb 9 2008, 03:58 PM
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makes me want to get a Cichlid tank going again. They are beauties. I just may, I just may biggrin.gif


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post Feb 9 2008, 06:06 PM
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Thanks guys for all comments smile.gif

Cel-samu, here is the description of the great your friend . Many mysteries would be elucidated by my photograph

"Cichlasoma" ornatum
Also described by Regan (1905), "Cichlasoma" (Amphilophus) ornatum is another species, like "C." atromaculatum, that has been misidentified in the hobby for reasons of its sheer rarity. Loiselle (1981), in his benchmark two-part article on South American cichlasomines, suggests that "C." ornatum resembles the Jack Dempsey ("Cichlasoma" octofasciatum) and that "its behavior and maintenance requirements are identical in all significant respects to those of the Jack Dempsey, with the proviso that C. ornatum appears somewhat less aggressive than C. octofasciatum in the cichlid community tank." It is also, according to Loiselle (1980), "less liberally marked with iridescent spangling than is that old aquarium favorite. Unlike the Dempsey, C. ornatum undergoes dramatic behaviorally related color changes."

It is my opinion that the fish Loiselle describes is most likely a Jack Dempsey morph or some other species, and not "C." ornatum. I say this for two reasons: 1) Stawikowski and Werner (1988) offer photos of a fish they believe to be "C." ornatum alongside photos of "C." atromaculatum they don't look like Jack Dempseys, and 2) I had the privilege (thanks to Carl Ferraris) of examining the types at the California Academy of Science this past summer and they look just like the Stawikowski and Werner photos and not like Jack Dempseys, even allowing for some fading of the color in preservative.

They look much like "C." atromaculatum in shape and overall appearance, have incomplete black bars (on the midsection and ventral aspect) and spots, including the dorsal-anal-caudal fin triad like the atros. Unlike the atros, they have an overall reddish-salmon pink base color (bordering on brown in preservative), and the "face" (operculars and preoperculars) is peppered with iridescent spots, as are the soft dorsal and anal fins. Unlike Jack Dempseys, there are no obvious spangles on the bodies of the 4- to 6-inch individuals I examined, but the black blotches/bars are quite distinctive on the pale brown body.

The fish is found in southwestern Colombia and in northwestern Ecuador (Eigenmann 1924). The ones pictured in Stawikowski and Werner (1988) were from the Rio Esmeraldas from Colombia.

Eigenmann (1924) describes them thusly: "general coloration olive-green, lighter on operculum below eye, three yellow streaks from anterior corner of eye to gape; silvery yellow spots on operculum; dark green vertical streaks. Pectorals and ventrals clear light yellow; dorsal tipped with deep crimson; transverse streaks or dots of clear light blue mixed with colorless patches. Caudal and anal similar, latter with considerable orange or deep yellow. Caudal ocellus black." The maximum recorded size for wild specimens is 10 inches (Eigenmann 1924), much like "C." atromaculatum.

In the same monograph, Eigenmann (1924) describes a new subspecies, Cichlasoma ornatum gephyrum from the Rio San Juan and the Rio Dagua systems in western Colombia . He asserts: "its coloration is so peculiar that it might well be a hybrid between C. atromaculatum and C. ornatum." He goes on: "Remains of cross-bands occur especially along back and middle of sides, many of the scales of the bands below the middle have black bases; axil black, centers of scales otherwise largely light; soft dorsal, caudal, and posterior half of soft anal with translucent spots...small (blue?) spots on cheeks and opercles, a black spot on base of upper half of caudal, a black spot on bases of soft dorsal and anal near the ends of these fins." Eigenmann (1924) figures both "C." ornatum and his new sub-species (Plate 31) and they do look different in the sketches.

Loiselle (1980) suggested that "this cichlid differs sufficiently from that species (i.e., "C." ornatum) in color pattern to warrant full specific rank," but also records that it is "not imported to date." In fact, Eigenmann (1924) concedes that small specimens "might be considered as belonging to C. atromaculatum, if there were not a number of specimens of the latter species of equal size from the same place with the perfectly characteristic color of C. atromaculatum." Stawikowski and Werner (1988) point out that the scale and fin counts overlap they believe that "C." ornatum gephyrum is simply a geographical morph of "C." ornatum.

In the absence of living specimens, the argument remains unresolved. It seems unlikely that this fish (not to mention "C." ornatum) will be available in the hobby anytime soon, unless avid hobbyists travel to the location and collect them.

The "C." ornatum photographed in Stawikowski and Werner (1988) apparently had been cherry-picked by a Dutch aquarist. However, I have never seen it on export lists from Europe (nor, for that matter, have I seen "C." atromaculatum). Given the apparent similarity to "C." atromaculatum, one might reasonably expect "C." ornatum to respond to the same aquarium conditions. I'm hopeful we will get to test that out one day.

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Thanks again, Seiichi

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