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 Lates thread, WW's Style |
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| DonH |
 Jul 30 2006, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Machete @ Jul 30 2006, 06:39 AM) 
Everyone, check out Donh's pics...I cant believe YOU took those. LOL
Thanks...   QUOTE(samurai-h @ Jul 30 2006, 08:26 AM)
DonH, Nice collection !
#3 fish looks microlepis to me. Japanese call this "Queen Nile Perch"
Thanks, Seiichi. Can you give us the key identifiers to separate the various species of Lates? (like calcarifer, mariae, angustifrons, microlepis, japonicus, stappersii) Dave: Now THAT is an excellent combo of fish...
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| ashdavid |
Jul 30 2006, 05:47 PM
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Hey Seiichi, there are 5 lates in my 1850g, I can only get pics of the 2 calcifer and 2 niloticus, the japonicus hides when the camera comes out! I have a total of 21 fish in the tank which includes 3 wolf fish and 4 bichirs. The biggest niloticus is about 21" and the biggest calcifer is about 19". Thanks Don, but your collection is very impresive! I also have to agree with Seiichi about that being a microlepis.
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| tarponguy |
Jul 30 2006, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 30 2006, 03:47 PM) Hey Seiichi, there are 5 lates in my 1850g, I can only get pics of the 2 calcifer and 2 niloticus, the japonicus hides when the camera comes out! I have a total of 21 fish in the tank which includes 3 wolf fish and 4 bichirs. The biggest niloticus is about 21" and the biggest calcifer is about 19". Thanks Don, but your collection is very impresive! I also have to agree with Seiichi about that being a microlepis. David, would you be able to fill in the blanks for a couple of questions I have? 1. At what size did you purchase each lates? 2. They are currently in your 1850 right? 3. When younger what size tank were they in, and were they housed together in that tank? 4. What if any hierarchy is there between them, including when you first attained them and up until now? Thanks Bill |
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| ashdavid |
Jul 30 2006, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(blturner70 @ Jul 30 2006, 09:19 PM)
David, would you be able to fill in the blanks for a couple of questions I have?
1. At what size did you purchase each lates?
2. They are currently in your 1850 right?
3. When younger what size tank were they in, and were they housed together in that tank?
4. What if any hierarchy is there between them, including when you first attained them and up until now?
Thanks
Bill
No worries. I bought each of the calcifer's at 1-2", the niloticus was at 3" and 4" and the japonicus at about 2". Yes they are all in the 1850g right now. I kept them in a 60g until they were each about 6-7" and the 2 calcifer and japonicus were kept together. There was no aggression at with them in that tank either. There is no aggresion now and there is no top dog. They all do get chased a bit by the cichla , even the big niloticus and cichla are still only about 8".
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| Machete |
Jul 30 2006, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 31 2006, 03:12 AM) QUOTE(DonH @ Jul 30 2006, 10:03 PM) I'm surprised that the japonicus @ 8" (size from your sig) does not get eaten or bullied by its much larger tank mates.  No, all the lates stick together. The ATF has a go at the biggest calcifer and the cichla make a half hearted attemt at chasing the bigger niloticus, but I would not call it aggression ,as the chase will usually be over in about half a second if you could call it a chase, they usually just go in seperate directions. It is supprising but no one even attempts to bother the japonicus. I just put a 4" wolf fish in there and I though for sure he would be eaten as I feed the bigger perch 6 to 7" fish that resemble smelt. It is supprising at how little aggresion is in this tank. Thats how my tank is for the most part. The big cats do most of the pushing around, but there is only half hearted aggression with the others. I think when you start getting into the larger sized tanks, the same rules dont apply. They have more room to stay out of the way. the only real aggression is when a new fish is added, the old guys are rough on new fish.
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| ashdavid |
Jul 30 2006, 10:21 PM
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Kaiser Soeze
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QUOTE(Machete @ Jul 30 2006, 10:16 PM) QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 31 2006, 03:12 AM) QUOTE(DonH @ Jul 30 2006, 10:03 PM) I'm surprised that the japonicus @ 8" (size from your sig) does not get eaten or bullied by its much larger tank mates. No, all the lates stick together. The ATF has a go at the biggest calcifer and the cichla make a half hearted attemt at chasing the bigger niloticus, but I would not call it aggression ,as the chase will usually be over in about half a second if you could call it a chase, they usually just go in seperate directions. It is supprising but no one even attempts to bother the japonicus. I just put a 4" wolf fish in there and I though for sure he would be eaten as I feed the bigger perch 6 to 7" fish that resemble smelt. It is supprising at how little aggresion is in this tank. Thats how my tank is for the most part. The big cats do most of the pushing around, but there is only half hearted aggression with the others. I think when you start getting into the larger sized tanks, the same rules dont apply. They have more room to stay out of the way. the only real aggression is when a new fish is added, the old guys are rough on new fish. I agree, normal rules do not aply when dealing with big tanks. And yes they are tough on new tanks mates, although the 4" wolf fish supprised me.
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| mr619 |
Jul 30 2006, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(Machete @ Jul 30 2006, 06:39 AM) QUOTE(Serygo @ Jul 29 2006, 10:17 PM)
Great thread, Bill!!
Whos Lates mariae is that?
That is Ronnies fish, very nice fish, crappy shot Everyone, check out Donh's pics...I cant believe YOU took those. LOL LOL @ machete, thats my M.O. "very nice fish, crappy pics" Haha! Btw, im getting a new digi cam soon so maybe i can come correct  Kudos for starting another great thread. Cool pics and awesome collections,, especially DonH and ashdavid  |
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| DonH |
Jul 31 2006, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 30 2006, 10:48 PM)
I have been meaning to ask you Don, but what are you feeding the Japonicus? And how is he doing?
He was on rosies and small goldfish when I first got him. It took a few weeks to get him on shrimp (competition with 2 azuls helps). He's currently being fed 6x/week and has grown steadily and looks thicker than the pics posted. He's only timid when the lights first come on. After that, he's alway at the front of the tank waiting to be fed. Not skittish at all compared to my L. mariae... How's your's doing?
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| ashdavid |
Jul 31 2006, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE(DonH @ Jul 31 2006, 01:33 AM) QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 30 2006, 10:48 PM)
I have been meaning to ask you Don, but what are you feeding the Japonicus? And how is he doing?
He was on rosies and small goldfish when I first got him. It took a few weeks to get him on shrimp (competition with 2 azuls helps). He's currently being fed 6x/week and has grown steadily and looks thicker than the pics posted. He's only timid when the lights first come on. After that, he's alway at the front of the tank waiting to be fed. Not skittish at all compared to my L. mariae... How's your's doing? Good to hear. The azules would have out grown him pretty fast I imagine? Did he suffer from any agggression. He is a bit timid and will stick by the calcifer's side most of the time, but when the camera comes out he hides. I have not yet been able to get a pic of him b/c of this.
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| P notatus |
Jul 31 2006, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 31 2006, 04:12 AM) QUOTE(DonH @ Jul 30 2006, 10:03 PM) I'm surprised that the japonicus @ 8" (size from your sig) does not get eaten or bullied by its much larger tank mates. No, all the lates stick together. The ATF has a go at the biggest calcifer and the cichla make a half hearted attemt at chasing the bigger niloticus, but I would not call it aggression ,as the chase will usually be over in about half a second if you could call it a chase, they usually just go in seperate directions. It is supprising but no one even attempts to bother the japonicus. I just put a 4" wolf fish in there and I though for sure he would be eaten as I feed the bigger perch 6 to 7" fish that resemble smelt. It is supprising at how little aggresion is in this tank. Hi david just wanted to know do you feed live fish or dead? Our the niles hard to get off live food? great fish everyone
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| ashdavid |
Jul 31 2006, 02:59 AM
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Kaiser Soeze
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QUOTE(P notatus @ Jul 31 2006, 02:54 AM) QUOTE(ashdavid @ Jul 31 2006, 04:12 AM) QUOTE(DonH @ Jul 30 2006, 10:03 PM) I'm surprised that the japonicus @ 8" (size from your sig) does not get eaten or bullied by its much larger tank mates. No, all the lates stick together. The ATF has a go at the biggest calcifer and the cichla make a half hearted attemt at chasing the bigger niloticus, but I would not call it aggression ,as the chase will usually be over in about half a second if you could call it a chase, they usually just go in seperate directions. It is supprising but no one even attempts to bother the japonicus. I just put a 4" wolf fish in there and I though for sure he would be eaten as I feed the bigger perch 6 to 7" fish that resemble smelt. It is supprising at how little aggresion is in this tank. Hi david just wanted to know do you feed live fish or dead? Our the niles hard to get off live food? great fish everyone The great nile perch is one of the hardest fish to convert. I have mine eating frozen fish(they resemble smelt) and tiny river shrimp. They are such picky eaters, some days they will eat what is being given and others they will just turn their noses up at it. I have still yet to see one of my niloticus with a bulging stomach. 
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